[community] Bluetooth DV track?

Wed Aug 28 17:11:23 UTC 2019

Hi John,
 This video (spanish) about the audiodescription to blind People in the
cinema or socialroom. I think is the answer at your request.

https://youtu.be/bUi1agR1uCg

Best regards,

Jaime E.

El vie., 16 de ago. de 2019 17:56, Jaime Enrique Cortés Fandiño <
cortesfandino at gmail.com> escribió:

> Hi,
> from the problematic exposed by John, I have done a brief investigation
> and there is not much. I also took this problem to my students and they
> have been motivated to help resolve the issue.
> Thanks John for the motivation.
> I hope to have answers soon.
>
> Jaime E.
>
> El vie., 16 de ago. de 2019 17:30, John Willis <pickupwillis at gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
>> Thank you Charles, David, Thank you for this great conversation!
>>
>> David I think it would be great if you could reach out to the folks at
>> accessible media and see what they know or have to say about it – surely
>> they looked into this?
>>
>> Charles I love your workaround – totally in favour of an extra TV for
>> every blind Canadian :-)
>>
>> It does work in the theater, I use that function all the time. I had not
>> realized that the technology was not included in consumer electronics Dash
>> that is a barrier but also seems quite an oversight. I wonder which
>> technical standards would need to be modified to encourage uptake of this
>> option by more manufacturers? I can look into that, as I am involved with
>> ISO
>>
>> Let’s keep in touch fellas, and thanks again
>>
>> J
>>
>> John D. Willis
>> Design & innovation in Public Services
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 2019, at 15:23, Charles Silverman <charlessilverman at me.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi John and David,
>> >
>> > Strange that there’s been very little discussion about the limitations
>> of home entertainment devices when it comes to watching descriptive video
>> content. Sadly, today’s home equipment is not designed to output more than
>> one audio selection from a video at the same time. This includes DVD
>> players, Blue-ray players, OTA (over the air) TV, cable TV, satellite TV,
>> along with smartphones, tablets,  and computers. Digital video streaming
>> services like iTunes and Netflix that support DV, are designed to only
>> output a single stream at a time.
>> >
>> > It’s either the main audio for everyone, or the description track* for
>> everyone.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, movie theatres that have the right digital screening
>> equipment are able to provide descriptive video over wireless headphones
>> while the rest of the audience listens to the main audio track.
>> >
>> > One interesting, albeit unwieldy, low tech workaround, would be to use
>> to two playback devices. TVs getting real time signal from over-the-air,
>> cable, and satellite services might work well. You could use one set to
>> access the audio description track, plugging a headset so that you’re the
>> only one receiving the descriptions. The other TV would provide the main
>> audio and video for everyone else.
>> >
>> > For physical media (DVD, etc) and internet streaming, the above
>> solution may be hit-or-miss due to a syncing problem.
>> >
>> > For example, you could employ two DVD players, setting one player to
>> the audio description track, and the other player to the main audio track.
>> You'll need to simultaneously (or nearly so) press the play buttons of both
>> players. It may take several tries to get it right (or not). If you get
>> that far, you may have to forgo attempting to simultaneously press the
>> pause buttons of each device for the duration of the video, e.g., no food
>> and bathroom runs :) .
>> >
>> > Web streaming services like Netflix are another possibility, but in
>> addition to getting the syncing right, internet bandwidth issues could make
>> synchronizing impossible. If this could actually would, the potential
>> useful part is that your smartphone could serve as the audio description
>> device.
>> >
>> > I’m not recommending “human syncing”, but it could be an interesting
>> experiment. I actually did something similar in the captioning realm with
>> Netflix’s uncaptioned second season of Torchwood where I was able to
>> download subtitles to these episodes from a large web repository of
>> subtitles. Using Quicktime 7 and CapScribe, a caption editor, I was able to
>> create a Quicktime movie from just the captions. The final step was to to
>> manually sync the show with the caption video. For caption viewing I used
>> an iPad just under the video. It’s obviously not a very practical solution
>> and it is time consuming. Fortunately Netflix and iTunes have come a long
>> way and most of their content is captioned today (with descriptions
>> catching up).
>> >
>> > David … good idea reaching out to AMI. It would be also worth talking
>> with the NCAM folks (NCAM is National Centre for Accessible Media, part of
>> PBS’ Boston flagship station, WGBH). NCAM was the group that initially
>> brought descriptive video to television (DVS) and movie theatres (MoPix).
>> >
>> >
>> > -Charles
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Aug 15, 2019, at 11:41 AM, David Berman <berman at davidberman.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi John,
>> >> That makes perfect sense.
>> >> To put a finer point on it,
>> >> I think you want two things happening at once:
>> >> 1 of 2: audio description user (e.g., John) hears the typical track +
>> the
>> >> audio description track on bluetooth headset, while...
>> >> 2 of 2: typical users (e.g., rest of John's family) hears the typical
>> track
>> >> only, via the loudspeakers.
>> >> I am not aware if this has been done, however I'm thinking our friends
>> at
>> >> AMI should know (and/or can "make it so").
>> >> Would you like me to query them on it?
>> >> Regards,
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 21:04, John Willis <pickupwillis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi everyone, I’ve had this question on my mind for some time and
>> thought
>> >>> you might know the answer – has anyone yet invented away for the
>> described
>> >>> video from movies and television to be encapsulated it up Bluetooth
>> stream?
>> >>> So that the rest of my family did not listen to it?
>> >>>
>> >>> As a blind watcher, this seems very obvious to me, but surely others
>> have
>> >>> come up with this idea – has anyone created it?
>> >>>
>> >>> And if it already exists, any thoughts on why it’s not easily
>> available
>> >>> through standard smart TVs, and streaming services?
>> >>>
>> >>> John D. Willis
>> >>> Design & innovation in Public Services
>> >>>
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