[community] FW: Remunerating advisory committees
Pina D'Intino
pina.dintino at gmail.com
Wed Jul 18 11:39:16 UTC 2018
There are pros and cons for remunerating advisors. My rule of thumb is very similar to John's. If they can pay others, then they can pay members of advisory committees or at least cover their expenses. I work on a number of them and some pay a small perdium, while others are completely voluntary. Local boards are often voluntary, unless they reach out for specific projects or want a real consultation of sorts.
However, I also recognize that paying advisory members can at times draws those who are simply looking for a payout of sorts, so be very selective, make sure you have a diverse board and make sure those who are retained are willing to do the work too. There is nothing worse than only having the same people doing all the work, while everyone gets compensated or remunerated the same. Avoid advisory fatigue too as this is very common amongst those who are often more active.
Hope you find this helpful.
Pina
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-----Original Message-----
From: community [mailto:community-bounces at lists.idrc.ocadu.ca] On Behalf Of Ather Shabbar
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:48 PM
To: Laura Yvonne Bulk
Cc: Inclusive Design Community
Subject: Re: [community] FW: Remunerating advisory committees
My experience as a professional consultant in the field of accessibility is very limited. I think there is a range of services one can provide to clients from accessibility audit, educational sessions, to developing policy, tools, processes, and guidelines.
I have lengthy procurement experience as a manager in public service. My experiences tell me that most consulting services provided by firms that offer management, people and organizational development, or training are popular and mostly the compensation range from $1000 to 3000 per diem.
I think John's point is noteworthy - people with accessibility experience are likely to be economically marginalized. I am noticing that we are called upon for advice and our work is sometimes treated like advocacy work and compensated properly.
Ather
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Laura Yvonne Bulk <laurabulk at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Looking forward to learning how it turns out .
>
> Laura Yvonne Bulk OT, MOT, BSW
> PhD Candidate, Rehabilitation Sciences <https://twitter.com/LYBOT>
> Twitter: @LYBOT Faculty of Medicine | The University of British
> Columbia
> T325 – 2211 Wesbrook Mall | Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 2B5
> Mobile: 778.228.4774
> LauraBulk at gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 07:18, Yarrow, Alexandra <
> Alexandra.Yarrow at biblioottawalibrary.ca> wrote:
>
> > Thank you all for your thoughtful replies!
> >
> > I work at a public library, as you could probably tell from my
> > signature, and we're thinking of starting an inclusion advisory
> > committee. I'd like
> to
> > make a case for citizen members of the committee to be paid for
> > their
> time,
> > for many of the reasons you have outlined below. We'll see how it goes...
> > it may take me a year to even get the idea off the ground. But
> > everything you are saying gives me some good examples and benefits
> > to point to, so thank you for that.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: community <community-bounces at lists.idrc.ocadu.ca> On Behalf Of
> Abid
> > Virani
> > Sent: July 16, 2018 6:22 PM
> > To: Cybele S <cybele.sack at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Inclusive Design Community <community at lists.idrc.ocadu.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [community] FW: Remunerating advisory committees
> >
> > Super interesting discussion.
> >
> > At Fable, we’ve have about 15 accessibility testers that use our
> > platform to test websites and mobile apps. We pay them between
> > $30-$50 an hour for their time. Their work involves identifying
> > issues and providing suggestions. They work from home and choose
> > their hours. We feel this
> rate
> > is fair and have gotten positive feedback about it so far.
> >
> > Cybele, I really don’t think it comes down to “worth more” but
> > rather the scarcity of the tester’s lived experience, the urgency of
> > the service,
> and
> > who’s doing the research.
> >
> > Still very new to this and glad to hear different perspectives!
> >
> > Abid
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 16, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Cybele S <cybele.sack at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Curious about how this pans out if the consultation and testing is
> > > not about assistive technology and instead with people who have
> > > invisible disabilities. If someone wanted to test an MVP within a
> > > community of people with mental health conditions, would they also pay $100/hour?
> > > Or is some lived experience "worth more" than others? And does it
> > > matter who is doing the research (large, small organization)? Or
> > > in
> > what context?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Rylan Vroom <dj.sonr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Laura, the other thing we cannot lose track of is that people
> > >> with disabilities are a vulnerable segment of the population:
> > >> employment numbers are low, and there is still a lot of societal
> > >> stigma and barriers to full inclusion at this time. The business
> > >> world has woken up to the fact that accessibility and inclusion
> > >> actually translate into real monetary value, and access to the
> > >> internet has given this population a voice. (leading to
> > >> legislation and other inclusion-friendly effects)
> > >>
> > >> Thus, people with disabilities can now derive value from the
> > >> skills they have spent time honing, and it behooves the entities
> > >> in need of those skills to compensate them accordingly. From what
> > >> I've seen over the last five years, $100 for one hour and a
> > >> possible phonecall plus transportation is the going rate in Canada for such services.
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: community [mailto:community-bounces at lists.idrc.ocadu.ca] On
> > >> Behalf Of Laura Yvonne Bulk
> > >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:54 PM
> > >> To: Alexandra.Yarrow at biblioottawalibrary.ca
> > >> Cc: Inclusive Design Community
> > >> Subject: Re: [community] FW: Remunerating advisory committees
> > >>
> > >> I have a "research team" looking at being blind & belonging in
> > >> academia/higher education. Each member (minus me) will be given
> > >> an honourarium/stipend, but we haven't decided how much yet
> > >> (we've discussed it as a team, and are going to make that
> > >> decision
> > >> collaboratively)
> > >>
> > >> I do think it is an important thing to respect members of these
> > >> team/committees - and in our society payment seems to be the
> > >> biggest way we show respect for someone's time/expertise. All too
> > >> often I volunteer my time/expertise/experience for free - which I
> > >> really do like doing, but I'm a bit torn - am I perpetuating a
> > >> disrespectful system by doing this over and over again?
> > >>
> > >> Great question/consideration.
> > >>
> > >> Laura Yvonne Bulk OT, MOT, BSW
> > >> PhD Candidate, Rehabilitation Sciences
> > >> <https://twitter.com/LYBOT>
> > >> Twitter: @LYBOT Faculty of Medicine | The University of British
> > >> Columbia
> > >> T325 – 2211 Wesbrook Mall | Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 2B5
> > >> Mobile: 778.228.4774
> > >> LauraBulk at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 11:41, Yarrow, Alexandra <
> > >> Alexandra.Yarrow at biblioottawalibrary.ca> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> Given the trend of consultation fatigue, I am wondering:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> · if any of you have an accessibility or inclusion-based
> advisory
> > >>> committee (or a similar advisory committee comprising members of
> > >>> the disability community), and if so,
> > >>>
> > >>> · do you remunerate them (stipend, expenses or in any other
> way)?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>>
> > >>>
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